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爱是神圣的疯狂。爱的疯狂是神给人们的最大幸福。

最近在看柏拉图,被这句话点醒,希望还能抓住最后的尾巴继续疯狂。

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CH07. 柏拉圖的《理想國》 / 苑舉正老師 - YouTube


这个台大的老师讲得特别好,推荐

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well...他说的爱不一定是指的性爱

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Yes and yes

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到哪里能找到爱?

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2小時以上的、、、、

讓 我分段 慢慢看 再回來分享

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看到time mark @00:05:54

------------------ begin ---------------

Russell says:

What is the difference between "knowledge" and "opinion"?

The man who has knowledge has knowledge of something,

that is to say,

of something that is exists,

for what does not exists is nothing.

(This is reminiscent of Parmenides . 我搜索 關於 Parmenides 有關此topic的資料:https://hume.ucdavis.edu/phi143/epiphys.htm )

Thus knowledge is infallible,

since it is logically impossible for it to be mistaken.


But opinion can be mistaken.

How can this be?

Opinion cannot be of what is not, for that is impossible;

non of what is, for that it would be knowledge.

Therefore opinion must be of what both is and is not.


But how is this possible?


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最后编辑MeekSarah 最后编辑于 2022/01/28 13:07:43
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@time mark 7:28

談過戀愛的第一個問題是“Am I in love?”

可能我 Asperger 思維 的關係, 對哲學對愛的定義缺乏能力去理解

所以 對不上號入座

我有點兒像 本沒倒置

我第一個 (關心的)問題是“對方是不是在愛我?”

而不是 「我是否墮入愛河?」


很有可能我誤解了 苑舉正老師的意思


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繼續做我的筆記:

@time mark 00:16:23

------------------------ begin ------------------------

Diotima

  • May I ask you further, Whether love is the love of something or of nothing?
  • Yet let me ask you one more question in order to illustrate my meaning: Is not a brother to be regarded essentially as a brother of something?
  • And now, said Socrates, I will ask about Love: -------- Is Love of something or of nothing?
  • Of something, surely, he replied.
  • Keep in mind what this is, and tell me what I want to know -------- whether Love desires that of which love is.
  • And does he possess, or does he not possess, that which he loves and desires?
  • Probably not, I should say.
  • Very good. Would he who is great, desire to be great, or he who is strong, desires to be strong?
  • No.

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True

我一阵阵就会向谈恋爱,只求真诚。

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繼續做我的筆記:

@time mark 00:24:29

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  • True. For he who is anything cannot want to be that which he is?
  • Very true.
  • Then, said Socrates, he desires that what he has at present may be preserved to him in the future, which is equivalent to saying that he desires something which is not-existent to him, and which as yet he has not got:
  • Very true, he said.
  • Then he and everyone who desires, desires that which he has not already, and which is future and not present, and which he has not, and is not, and of which he is in want; ----- these are the sort of things which love and desire seek
  • Very true, he said.

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